Curry Quotes

Bits of wisdom and denialist chum from Judith Curry

Curry didn’t want to start a flame war there

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[A]t the heart of the IPCC is a cadre of scientists whose careers have been made by the IPCC. These scientists have used the IPCC to jump the normal meritocracy process by which scientists achieve influence over the politics of science and policy. Not only has this brought some relatively unknown, inexperienced and possibly dubious people into positions of influence, but these people become vested in protecting the IPCC, which has become central to their own career and legitimizes playing power politics with their expertise.

When I refer to the IPCC dogma, it is the religious importance that the IPCC holds for this cadre of scientists; they will tolerate no dissent, and seek to trample and discredit anyone who challenges the IPCC. Who are these priests of the IPCC? Some are mid to late career middle ranking scientists who have done ok in terms of the academic meritocracy. Others were still graduate students when they were appointed as lead authors for the IPCC. These scientists have used to IPCC to gain a seat at the “big tables” where they can play power politics with the collective expertise of the IPCC, to obtain personal publicity, and to advance their careers. This advancement of their careers is done with the complicity of the professional societies and the institutions that fund science. Eager for the publicity, high impact journals such as Nature, Science, and PNAS frequently publish sensational but dubious papers that support the climate alarm narrative.
– Judith Curry

Who are these priests of the IPCC?

Who indeed?

Broad-brush character assassination against a host of unnamed (but readily identifiable) scientists: is this really the way you plan “to get the public perception of climate science back on track?”
– PDA

Well i could start a flame war and name names, but there is little point to that.
– Judith Curry

The point would be that without naming names, you are implicating every scientist on all the Working Groups.
– PDA

I absolutely do not name any individuals here, for many reasons. The primary one being that the problem is with the SYSTEM. That some people used the system to for their own personal advantage is not surprising or particularly problematic (who can blame the graduate student appointed to be a lead author for the IPCC from using this to their advantage). The problem was the positive feedbacks and lack of checks and balances in the system, and how the whole thing snowballed.
– Judith Curry

I am not indicting the scientists, I am raising concerns about the institutions of scientists.
– Judith Curry

I’m surprised that people thought I was attacking climate scientists in my original post. Climate scientists have been pawns in all this; some have been victims and others have benefitted. If anyone can be labeled as a “villain” in all this, it would arguably be the UNEP/UNFCCC; but in a way that begs the question of how all this started and who started it.
– Judith Curry


Your original post was about “a cadre of scientists whose careers have been made by the IPCC [and] used the IPCC to jump the normal meritocracy process by which scientists achieve influence over the politics of science and policy.” These scientists, you tell us, “will tolerate no dissent, and seek to trample and discredit anyone who challenges the IPCC” and “have used to IPCC to gain a seat at the “big tables” where they can play power politics with the collective expertise of the IPCC, to obtain personal publicity, and to advance their careers.”

Today, you claim to be “surprised that people thought I was attacking climate scientists in my original post.” Today, you claim to be “tired of the endless debate over who is hero and who is villain in the scenario unfolded in the CRU emails.”

I’d actually have less of a problem if you stood your ground and had the courage of your convictions. Instead, you threw bleeding red meat to the psuedoskeptic ideologues who dominate these comments, and left town for a couple of days, professing to have no idea what caused all the fuss upon your return. Now you’re attempting to shift focus to “the system,” which is nothing other than climate scientists plus a handful of professional administrators.

You’re attempting to create a narrative of an earnest reformer, who tried to change the system from the inside, but who was driven out when she dared to question climate “dogma.” I see someone who was never on the inside, whose beliefs are far closer to those of Anthony Watts and Willis Eschenbach than she ever lets on, and who is jockeying for a position of power and influence with the new Congressional majority.

It gives me no pleasure to say this. I think I’ve made a genuine effort to meet you half-way, engaging with you on the substance of your posts, and offering my personal blog as a venue for a dispassionate debate of issues with the Italian flag. No more. I feel like I’ve been duped.
– PDA

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Written by cquo

November 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Posted in Uncategorized

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  1. Hm. And I thought I was the only one reading that exchange.

    PDA

    November 22, 2010 at 5:01 am

  2. Well, I have been following your efforts since mt’s flag controversy. It’s a pity that the Gish Gallop became Curry’s standard reply to any criticism.

    curryquotes

    November 23, 2010 at 1:36 pm


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